Sequencers: Cubase 2.8 on Windows 98. Hexfix93′s take.
Now I have a hard choice to make. So I bought an atari STE, a Dell Pentium 2 laptop with windows 98, and an ASQ10. I used Cubase 2.8 on fun with knives and remember it being tight. I remember decypher having fast arpeggios that sound tight. I remember moments of that lp being really tight. This is why it sold well, this is why it got the club play, it was the midi I am sure of it. I used cubase 2.8 with a pentium 1 processor first. Even on the 486 dx 66 mhz, and it was tight. I used a motu micro express that had a printer port interface that was serial. I tweaked windows 98 for optimum performance. This is the midi only version of this application back then. Using this again brought back memories, it’s just like the atari version I used way back in the day. Has so much more midi control and features than any modern sequencer you can buy for the MAC and PC. Was it tight? Does it deliver like I remember it?
I swore to hate microsoft to the end of time. Now that I have this old laptop that I bought off ebay for 50 dollars plus shipping I am having fond memories, it is all coming back to me, all the old games I played when I first got my pc back in the day, like magic carpet, fall out, adventure games like space quest and leisure suit larry, doom, quake, what fond memories. A lot of the games then ran in dos and were a pain in the ass to set up your autoexec.bat and config.sys files. Still I remember how much I loved my PC back in the day. Those were the days of BBS systems(personal computers in homes set up to accept modem calls, with a database of file downloads, message boards and online text networked games, a totally different time in computer history that most young people know nothing about), the internet was a baby then. Piracy was not the big issue it is today then. I realize what a magical time it was then to own a PC. PCs were more of a pain in the ass back then, but the rewards were very high.
So did this deliver on my new set up, my p2 dell laptop with amt8 via serial port set to max baud, no flow control, with a tweaked windows 98? IN SPADES! OMG it is close to how the atari was but I have 8 ins and outs instead. My new test with this set up on this pc was 3MS max 2MS average of midi jitter(my 16th note test of hi hats or bass line, mono). I am so damn happy. I have a hard drive, usb memory sticks, cd, self contained unit with display and mouse. I have p2 233mhz processor, 80mb of memory, 2 gb hard drive, and 13 inch display and 800×600 resolution.
Does Cubase 2.8 record what I play in accurately? YES, close to how the atari does. Doesn’t drop notes, and is really manageable. I think the ASQ10 is a little better though. The asq10 only has 2ms of jitter max on my test. So it is a tad bit tighter and a lot harder to use. In some ways I do prefer the asq10, it has the swing. Cubase 2.8 isn’t as funky. It’s still really musical though. I am now leaning towards Cubase 2.8 on this laptop. The interface is just so much better. So many edit modes, List(like grid), Score, Piano roll and a ton of midi things that other seqs don’t have. One thing though, notator on the Atari ST is like 1MS of jitter on this test. It is the tightest seq ever. Don’t believe me, go listen to the “virus ep” by front line assembly, or caustic grip. That is all done on notator and it is tight as hell.
So what happened? I remember it well, it was on TTG, I upgraded to cubase vst 5, this was when they introduced “AUDIO” into the application. This is when cubase started to suck, not record midi right and have really sloppy timing. It got even worse when they release Cubase SX. This is when usb took over, and they stripped most of the midi functions out of the application, it was more like another program than cubase at this point and basically remains the same to this day. It doesn’t record midi right, especially with USB midi interfaces and controllers, its a joke. The combination of windows XP and its background services(much of that didn’t exist in win 98) really made midi timing even worse on top of USB. USB writes and reads in bursts, not a steady stream like serial or DMA or pci does. Still, I even bought an rme fireface 800, and hdsp9652 and used the midi on that, and it was still sloppy, so it was not just USB. It was windows, and OSX that have so many background tasks running in the os, that midi is thrown to the dogs. This has ruined my interest in making electronic music over the last few years, because I could never get my hardware to sound right with the sloppy midi on playback and record. Seriously, making aggressive music with lousy timing does not work. In speed metal it is timing and speed that makes it so mean, its the same for industrial to the 9th degree, without real hardware and good timing, the aggression is lost. You can hear that in the last 3 VAC records. I bitched and moaned so hard on the cubase forums, and so many other echo’d my girpes and showed the midi to be faulty as I did. On cubase sx, it was 5 to 10 ms on the best days, on the worst sometimes up to 20 to 32 ms of jitter, horrid. If you put a big system load on modern pcs, get tons of audio running, tons of midi, tons of plugin fx, and plug in instruments, the external midi timing goes to hell, and it records midi in really bad. If you think I am crazy or the only one who freaks out about midi timing, just look up what BT and Vince Clark have to say about MIDI on google.
Most people think they suck at playing when they write with logic and cubase and all the modern daws of today. I think if they got this version of cubase, or an ASQ10, or and atari, they would see the difference and understand what a lot of people like me are complaining about. Timing is crucial in music. These jack of all trade and master of none music applications fall short on sound quality, external midi timing, and midi recording. I am over expecting software to do it all. These do it all devices suck. The dedicated devices and software, were they do one thing, and do it really well tend to sound the best and record and sequence the best. When we were making lust for blood, we constantly had to edit our midi recordings, it would stop the flow of work, this is how it was on hex angel, this is how it was on the art of breaking apart. It made things take longer, it made us uninspired after a while. Always having to fix the poorly recorded midi. NO MORE. I refuse to put up with it ever again. I went to the mac thinking it would be better with logic, and it was, until i started recording the audio, and the tracks would not line up and everything was slightly out of sync. My conclusion, pre audio cubase is way better at midi than new cubase. Win95, win98 with cubase 2.8 is great for live midi seq and composing. I cannot say that about anything I have used since on modern computers. Oh, and I think this is what Astral projection, the super tight trance band uses still. I give this a 10 out of 10.
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March 5th, 2010 at 12:52 am
NICE! cant wait to hear the new tunes.
March 5th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
i enjoyed using logic way back, but after using all the new daws and trying them out i had to drop them. i just enjoy my gear to play around with, but i hated using computers for recording, the midi was always so funny, funky notes either appearing or disappearing or just being off time. it was a pain, so i just use hardware when i play around and only turn the computer on to play a old movie
March 6th, 2010 at 12:59 am
Notator on the 1040ST was tight as hell.
March 6th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
what are going to record audio into?
March 6th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Korg MR1 in 1 bit dsd.
March 6th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Those were the days for pcs. Even though like you said shit would go wrong alot, it was really really easy to fix. And backwhen there weren’t as many companies making various equipment and parts for pcs, things tended to be more compatible.
March 10th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Where can one obtain Cubase 2.8 nowadays?
March 10th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
I mean, I really haven’t found it anywhere on the net and found no ads for somebody selling his/her copy…
The idea sounds very promising though, I’ve already found a suitable laptop for the task locally, just need the sw for it.
March 14th, 2010 at 5:36 am
Okay sequencers, hmmmm I wish I could study harmony theory, and just intonation, then create a perfect map of what music is. It’s fun to read tablature, but man I haven’t done that in a while. I had a cheap acoustic but it hurt my fingers. I need to get an electric guitar, with a 7 band style vocoder. But that’s totally skinny puppy. I was thinking of taking the math of 7 and consider the threshold and figure out a mathmatical map of each beat and where to put the next beat to the 288 harmonic thomez scale. Lucky bastard copyrighted the structure of the song. I even personally e-mailed him. Mix that with your fours and that just throws me off. So where do the high notes go, and where do the 16ths go. That’s the whole point of the sequencer. I remember listening to timeless visions, and it reminded me of a creature that existed in the pc and ps2 world. I could feel it in the horn in the track. Like as if you were into the dark side of the occult back in 95 and 96. Kind of like Bruce Campbell.
Anyways back to this note theory ,it can best be described as compact. Infinite notes exist within it. It truly can really be studied by looking at just intonation. virtually every number exists in nature.
I always liked talking to my music buddies, they’re always on at 4 in the morning in West Virginia, Oklahoma, Ireland, California. I miss my Yahoo messenger.
Anyways the chorus notes of the invisible 25th, would have to be included. i wonder what an all trance movie would be like, would be one piece of work to get paid for. You should release a industrial dvd and become the king of ebm, yeah make it what ebm synthpop industrial is about. We have to show these people we can survive without only music we’ll add a picture to it and call it Musically Influenced Full Motion Pictures. I mean we gotta keep our minds occupied somehow. I am taking my music with me to my next art. I just love being alive.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:09 am
I still have a cubase dongle for 3.55. 3.0 and 2.x runs with it too.
Sadly, cubase 2.8 is not available for download at the steinberg ftp-server, only 2.63 and updates for 2.8 (2.81-2.83), but those updates need 2.80 to start with. Does anyone know wehre to get it???